tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post4967965129482429248..comments2024-03-18T01:15:17.741-07:00Comments on Better Family Photos: Best Alternative to Nikon 24-70 2.8G: the Nikon 28-70 2.8D360 Rumorshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-87893112972784232672013-06-27T17:34:12.426-07:002013-06-27T17:34:12.426-07:00heihei. i personnally own a d800 for a while now, ...heihei. i personnally own a d800 for a while now, i have a 50 1.8G and the 24-70. i had for a moment the 85 1.4G.<br />my personnal impressions are those: D800 is yes very demanding in term of lens quality but also in term of post processing. out of camera files are kinda soft-ish with any lenses. this is the opposite on canon gear with aggressive internal processing. but in reality it is still usable with most of the lenses including the 85 1.4G. i tested a lot the new 1.8 version and there is no way it is "better". here is a crop after post processing of the 85 1.4G i posted on another review since i couldn't drink the stupidity of people comparing 2 different class of lenses:<br /><br />http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50598750?image=0<br /><br />I have to say that the fancy nano crystal coat on nikon lenses is not only marketing and not only against flare, it works damn good to pull out micro contrast. i could notice that on any "pro" lens i tested. my 24-70 is always on the nose of my body now. so I doubt the 28-70 is that bad with a good work on computer.<br /><br />concerning the fact that the lenses formulas are not evolving for 30 years like i've read above.. true and false. if there was no marging of improvement then the new canon 24-70II wouldn't be that sharp. also the medium format lenses wouldn't be so crazy perfect. there is still a big edge before technically talking the sensors are going to outresolve the lenses. they are just going slow, as the sensor technologies (which are outdated for a long time already..). this is simply the rule of market, brands need us to buy new gear often enough for the cost of research. D4 can handle 400.000 clics, why they don't do the same with all the nikon line? you certainly know the answer. I guess the same rule is appliable with lenses. the margin of benefit on high end 35mm are not that big anyway. they don't go to fast that once we buy a new lens, we don't change for the next 20 years.<br /><br />when you look how things are going .. 35mm become a threat to medium format, expert compacts become a threat to 35mm also, (cf: sony RX1, fuji products..) this is going to make high end products even more expensive since the market is evolving mostly from the bottom becoming in a way more suitable for most application concerning seize and weigh. and this with the technologie created for high end, paradoxal isn't it? maybe the aps-c sensors will tend to disappear into traditionnal DSLR to end up as a norme into comapct bodies. In any case i don't think we can expect huge changes in a near future, unless some small brands throw the brik through the window to wake big brands up. lets salute sigma, sony, tamron and fuji for that, they are the ones still offering some advanced stuffed while all together they just eat the rests of canikon. sorry, what was it about already? ^^tomhttp://www.thomas-leduc.book.frnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-38737685643067940472013-06-07T07:57:21.427-07:002013-06-07T07:57:21.427-07:00Congratulations Albert! I sold my lens (to upgrad...Congratulations Albert! I sold my lens (to upgrade to the 24-70) but recently repurchased the 28-70. I haven't tried it on a D800, but I have tried it on a D600 and am very happy with it (after AF fine-tuning). I will be posting a more detailed post about this. However, assuming you got it at a good price, I think it is a better value than the 24-70.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Mic360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-44063480211023686842013-06-07T06:47:12.577-07:002013-06-07T06:47:12.577-07:00Just purchased on used on Ebay. Looking forward t...Just purchased on used on Ebay. Looking forward to trying it out on my D800. The comments and reviews here helped me a lot with my decision. Thank you all!Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10735662263226528241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-55273268540675777792013-05-16T07:30:30.086-07:002013-05-16T07:30:30.086-07:00Thank you for sharing your experience comparing th...Thank you for sharing your experience comparing the two! I agree, the 28-70 is an awesome lens and is arguably a better value than the 24-70. For me the most significant advantage of the 24-70 is the closer focusing distance, which for some people will not really matter.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Mic360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-5181490550640405692013-05-16T02:12:49.693-07:002013-05-16T02:12:49.693-07:00I've had my 28/70 for many years and it has pa...I've had my 28/70 for many years and it has paid for itself so many times I can't count. Weddings, concerts, dance, events sports and anything else you can think of. When the 24/70 just came out a friend bought one but was out of country for a month and asked me to pick it up and use it. I shot and compared both lenses back to back for that month. My findings were that there was no measurable difference in print between the two and this covers many different scenarios or usage. I also believe that the 28/70 is a much tougher lens made for hard professional usage. My recommendation would be if you are looking for a top lens in this focal length the 28/70 really can't be beat. I'm taking mine to the grave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-44125939427345005752012-12-04T07:31:10.241-08:002012-12-04T07:31:10.241-08:00Thanks friend! And thank you on behalf of readers...Thanks friend! And thank you on behalf of readers who are looking into this lens.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Mic360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-18805546832969495512012-12-03T13:09:33.147-08:002012-12-03T13:09:33.147-08:00I have been using the Nikon 28-70 2.8 with my D800...I have been using the Nikon 28-70 2.8 with my D800 since early May and find it excellent very sharp and contrasty and completely clear from CA,edge to edge sharp from f4.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-23128856549808040232012-06-28T12:51:31.537-07:002012-06-28T12:51:31.537-07:00Awesome! Please feel free to post links to your s...Awesome! Please feel free to post links to your shots.<br /><br />BTW, FYI I am also working on a review of the 24-70.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Mic360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-23395695851336148662012-06-28T10:08:50.251-07:002012-06-28T10:08:50.251-07:00I will buy one soon a 2nd hand unitI will buy one soon a 2nd hand unitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-43238667197916708802012-05-04T19:03:17.451-07:002012-05-04T19:03:17.451-07:00I've certainly benefited from advances in soft...I've certainly benefited from advances in software, such as from lens correction in lightroom, and automatic removal of chromatic aberration. I hope we see more of the developments that you noted. Thanks!<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Mic360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-10389534442683060452012-05-04T17:07:19.035-07:002012-05-04T17:07:19.035-07:00To a certain point, modern lens quality will alway...To a certain point, modern lens quality will always be insufficient for modern sensors and more and more so in the future. The lenses progression in the last 30 years was minimum. Has a answer one should focus the attention on the combination with the software and the type of file (raw at this point) that he/she will be using. Miracles have already been done after a good software modulation. The secret is more and more on the software progression and less and less on the hardware, given the quality level already achieved and the physical limitations of lenses in particular.lux rarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15880627249071183873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-82077303915217945962012-05-02T09:28:24.076-07:002012-05-02T09:28:24.076-07:00If the Tamron would perform close to the much more...If the Tamron would perform close to the much more expensive 28-70 i think that would be great! It also gives me hope for the upcoming 24-70 vc.360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-42080349214884927432012-05-02T07:50:53.182-07:002012-05-02T07:50:53.182-07:00i think The 28-70 focuses accurately on my camera....i think The 28-70 focuses accurately on my camera.. I will recheck, but I don't think it's a focus issue.<br /><br />With the Tamron, it seems to depend on what copy of that lens you get. I went through 3 horrible copies in Nikon mount... That said, there are some samples taken with the Tamron 28-75 on D800e, and the corners do no seem bad - see here: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpcfoto.biz%2Fna-prvi-pogled-nikon-d800e<br /><br />Anyways, the 28-70 2.8 might be better in the corners than the Tamron (I don't know), but for the price increase it should be much better. I haven't noticed too much of a difference from a good copy of the Tamron 28-75 so far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-59197409476526781972012-05-02T01:57:01.424-07:002012-05-02T01:57:01.424-07:00Hi! A couple of comments:
First, did you calibrat...Hi! A couple of comments:<br />First, did you calibrate the focus on both lenses? My copy of the 28-70 required a significant microfocus adjustment (-20 on my camera) and was much sharper after I adjusted it.<br /><br />Second, this is just my opinion, but it seems to me that 3rd party lenses, especially when used with full frame cameras, are usually quite good at the very center of the image (like the middle 10-15% or so of the frame) but less so outside of the center, so if that outer area is relevant for your kind of photography, you may want to compare their performance that way as well if you haven't yet.<br /><br />The Tamron 28-75 in particular seems to follow this pattern. On DX it's great (I can attest to this personally because I used to have one) but on FX they say it's less impressive. You can see this on the photozone.de reviews for the Tamron 28-75 on APS-C and full frame:<br />- APS-C http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/291-tamron-af-28-75mm-f28-sp-xr-di-ld-aspherical-if-nikon-lab-test-report--review?start=1<br />- full frame (Canon) http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/418-tamron_2875_28_5d?start=1<br /><br />I suspect that the 28-70's mtf scores are closer to those of the 24-70 (especially at shorter focal lengths) instead of the Tamron 28-75.<br />24-70: http://www.photozone.de/nikon_ff/456-nikkor_afs_2470_28_ff?start=1<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Mic360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-33851436235213491122012-05-01T21:48:27.756-07:002012-05-01T21:48:27.756-07:00To me the 28-70 seems about as sharp as the Tamron...To me the 28-70 seems about as sharp as the Tamron 28-75 2.8 at the same settings when I owned it, so I am going to sell it since the extra cost doesn't justify itself. I don't know if I should try another copy of the 28-70 though....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-74098895609469939382012-05-01T12:02:27.000-07:002012-05-01T12:02:27.000-07:00My understanding from the other comparisons I link...My understanding from the other comparisons I linked to is that 70mm at 2.8 is the weakest point of the 28-70, so I'm sure if you test a 24-70, the results will be sharper. Nonetheless, imo, I think that your result at 70mm 2.8 looks fine, except maybe if you typically make very large prints or crop very aggressively. (Then again I haven't been to an optometrist in years.) Just my $0.02.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Mic360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-31821889758582575152012-05-01T11:45:19.364-07:002012-05-01T11:45:19.364-07:00Haha sorry maybe I sound a bit spoiled but I genui...Haha sorry maybe I sound a bit spoiled but I genuinely expected better performance at 2.8... I could certainly rent the 24–70 and compare the 2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-26935749737990907002012-05-01T11:24:45.808-07:002012-05-01T11:24:45.808-07:00OK if this is as 'bad' as it gets, now you...OK if this is as 'bad' as it gets, now you've made me WANT the D800! :))<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Mic360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-40952965994729053372012-05-01T11:16:26.568-07:002012-05-01T11:16:26.568-07:00It's at 70mm... maybe I am expecting too much,...It's at 70mm... maybe I am expecting too much, but it doesn't have the same sharpness level that the 24 70 had at 2.8 when I used it on d700.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-51258838062226938632012-05-01T11:03:39.290-07:002012-05-01T11:03:39.290-07:00Thanks!!! Is that at 50mm or 70mm?
I could be get...Thanks!!! Is that at 50mm or 70mm?<br /><br />I could be getting old, but if this is 100% it looks better than I expected, at least without seeing a shot from the 24-70 side by side.<br /><br />Thanks again!<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Mic360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-56310465259925779222012-05-01T10:32:04.813-07:002012-05-01T10:32:04.813-07:00Here is a 100 % crop from the center at 2.8 with d...Here is a 100 % crop from the center at 2.8 with default settings in Lightroom 4<br /><br />(click on image to view full size)<br /><br />http://postimage.org/image/49w5e6a8x/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-51713259202884112672012-05-01T10:07:08.961-07:002012-05-01T10:07:08.961-07:00Good point (if I may say so) though primes aren...Good point (if I may say so) though primes aren't immune from the D800's withering punishment either. In the article I linked above, Ming Thein found the performance of even the vaunted 85 1.4G to fall short of the D800's exacting standards.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Mic360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-9572543769859292482012-05-01T09:56:30.796-07:002012-05-01T09:56:30.796-07:00Maybe I don't have the best sample, but I am p...Maybe I don't have the best sample, but I am probably going to get primes for the D800. The 24-70 is too huge, expensive and heavy and not perfect either). I was hoping the 28-70 2.8 would have good sharpness wide open, otherwise why buy it over primes or consumer grade lenses if I have to stop down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-80880732469646956172012-05-01T09:51:26.035-07:002012-05-01T09:51:26.035-07:00Argh... sorry to hear that! The D800 is so amazin...Argh... sorry to hear that! The D800 is so amazing yet so demanding! Makes me nervous about my 70-200 VR I. In any case, I truly appreciate you sharing your candid assessment. I hope it at least looks ok at prints and viewing sizes more typical for 12mp.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Mic360 Rumorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173469932778454315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361251099864607419.post-68801082992700093462012-05-01T09:12:46.682-07:002012-05-01T09:12:46.682-07:00I just bought a Nikon 28-70 2.8 for the D800 and i...I just bought a Nikon 28-70 2.8 for the D800 and it's disappointingly soft wide open at 50-70mm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com